Understanding the Steps into the Darkest of Cultures

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The madness we're living in didn't happen overnight. It followed a traceable, step-by-step descent that began with influential 19th-century thinkers whose ideas have shaped and reshaped modern American culture, education, and even the church itself.

This show is designed for the authentic born-again Christian. We're trying to have fun, talk about some issues, and because of years of research—going back to the Facts or Fiction conferences from 2007 through 2010—we've started to piece together how we actually got here. People have been tracking this. We can look back into history and see the method behind the madness, those steps along the way.

There were influential 19th-century thinkers—that's the 1800s—who produced ideas that still to this day have shaped and reshaped modern American culture and schools. The more we understand that, the more we're going to see that even though the last date we'll talk about is 1982, the seeds that were planted have manifested themselves. They've grown into something. Which is why in 2026 we're sitting here with absolute demonic madness around the world.

Let's start with a simple truth: there is no longer absolute truth in America. And somebody says, "Is that true?" Absolutely. It's a crisis.

The Court Cases: 1962-1982

The court system actually reversed "one nation under God" between 1962 and 1982. This happened during a single lifetime.

When you look at the reshaping of this, there's a generation of people at the end of baby boomers—born in '62, '63, '64—and the start of Gen X—born in '65, '66, '67—that are different than everybody else on the planet. Those who grew up in the 70s riding bikes, drinking out of the hose. We process information different. We have a hard time with participation trophies. We have a hard time with snowflake safe rooms. We grew up with "sticks and stones may break my bones, words will never hurt me." And the neighbor might slap you.

Now we've descended into "silence is violence." What?

People in that age group have a different view. Why? Because everything started getting taken away during our developmental years. And when these court cases happened, that didn't change everything overnight. It took a couple years. Remember baccalaureate services? Christmas programs that were very religious in nature? The crisis has been there during our lifetimes and we watched it happen before we were old enough to really speak into it. Now we've had to live out that fruit.

The Rulings

1962 — Engel v. Vitale Voluntary prayer in public schools was deemed unconstitutional. Being a young man in public school, kindergarten in 1969-70, there were still different prayers going on in first and second grade. It wasn't completely eradicated. But it became more and more taboo as time went on.

1963 — Abington School District v. Schempp Classroom Bible reading was dismantled. Do you ever remember reading the Bible in public school? It was referenced, we saw them, it wasn't considered taboo when we were young. There were Bibles in the library. In seventh grade, it was part of the history books—though the teacher was an atheist who talked about how it was only good for history and wasn't inspired.

Small town rural schools still learned about the first and second Great Awakenings, the influence Christianity had in our culture. Science teachers talked about evolution as a flawed theory. I don't know when it became unflawed, but it slowly became "fact" with no evidence that it's fact. That's always been heartbreaking—it's one of the biggest scams that's ever come down the pike. I just hate when people get lied to and it's obvious they're being lied to, and yet they hold on to their lies. Much like the word of faith movement and the prosperity gospel folks—a lot of these are good people. They just need to come out of that delusion.

1980 — Stone v. Graham The posting of the Ten Commandments was declared unconstitutional. When that went down, it was like "this will never stand." We always had this bravado about us, assumed it would always stay the same, that we'd get it back. This was just a temporary blip in the road.

1982 — Edwards v. Aguillard Teaching creationism became prohibited. Being taught about a "flawed theory" before graduation was probably in opposition to this prohibition of teaching creationism. Some schools held on as long as they could before they finally had to give up the ghost and teach nothing but evolution as an option. Because of "separation of church and state" and all this other mumbo jumbo.

The Scopes Monkey Trial

What's really interesting is the Scopes Monkey Trial, which took place July 10-21, 1925, in Dayton, Tennessee. At the time, the law on the books said you could not teach something in public school that directly contradicted the Bible. That was the law.

Contrary to the Hollywood version of things, they didn't win. The school won—no, we're not going to teach this evolutionary stuff, and we have the right not to teach it.

Then over time, revisionist history made a big deal out of it and pretended like that trial was the turning point where evolution became fact. That's important to understand—the Scopes trial happens near the end of these five ghosts we're about to discuss, and from that point all the way to 1982 when they prohibited creationism, time just keeps moving on. What you allow in keeps growing.

The Five Ghosts

When we say "ghosts," these are actually human beings. Pivotal, important human beings that really changed the trajectory of everything. Real people who lived and died, and now they're nothing but ghosts—but their ghost lives on.

We're going to get into the scholastic part of this. If you listen close and if we can have fun sharing this with you, it might become meaningful. If not, this is going to be... well, let's discuss our doom. Let's talk about these guys spitting into the wind and flooding countries with absolute mind-blowing evil.

If anybody needs to go to the bathroom, now would be the time. Johnny, do you need to go? No? All right, let's begin.

Ghost #1: Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

German philosopher, 1820s

And yes, George is spelled correctly with no "e" on the end—that's how they did it in the Germanic language back then. He was doing his thing in the 1820s. Remember, we're just coming out of the Age of Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, where all of a sudden it's our brains and our thought and our knowledge that's going to bring us to all truth. We're going to just use our little brain.

When something became viral back in the day, it's different than viral on the internet. Something viral back then would last quite a while and become big. Think advertising from the 80s: "Where's the beef?" "We'll leave the light on for you." Everybody knows those things.

What Hegel Did

What Hegel did is he upended 1,500 years where societies had fixed moral absolutes—like murder and adultery were deemed universally wrong. Old Georgie boy comes along and he rejected moral absolutes. That was his brainchild—that there's no absolute truth. "Your truth doesn't have to be my truth." There are no absolutes we need to hang our hat on. And we are seeing how many years later the devastating realities of embracing such error.

The Slippery Slope of "Your Truth"

Let's talk about some "absolute truths" that aren't absolute truth. You go to a chili cookoff, there's all these chili enthusiasts, 100 people, 20 cooks. The person at the microphone says, "Chili without a doubt is the greatest food in the history of the world." Everybody cheers. That's their truth for that moment. But you can't claim it's absolute truth—what about pie? What about sandwiches?

That opinion-type truth then gets applied to other things. Then it keeps getting applied to even more things to the point of:

• Is murder really wrong? What if somebody was justified? What about self-defense?
• Is rape really wrong?
• What about abortion? What about rape and incest and abortion?

Now you've got people actually questioning—to this day, when you stand up against the evil of pedophilia, they consider you the one that's evil, not the pedophile. Because the pedophile might have a reason.

Dialectic Theory Explained

Here's how Hegel's dialectic theory works. Take notes, class, because you'll need these for the midterm. There will be a test.

Dialectic is just the study of opposing views—contradictions. The study of contradictions and how those contradictions can actually result in solutions, in progressing forward. Sometimes that's a good thing. Sometimes we see that happen. But it's not always a good thing because there are absolutely absolute truths that there's no bending, no wavering from.

This is a key to all of the ghosts we're going to talk about:

Dialectic theory is a way of understanding change and development by focusing on tension between opposing ideas or forces. Instead of seeing contradictions as problems to eliminate, dialectical thinking treats them as productive. "There are no bad questions."

Yeah, there are bad questions. "I think every man should have the right to kiss your wife whenever they want." No, no they don't. That's a bad question. Especially the smokers. Absolutely not.

Even Paul to a certain extent in the New Testament would say, "Come, let us reason together." So they're taking an element of truth that there is a possibility of productiveness in certain things. But other things that are absolute—it's counterproductive. This is what pushes something toward growth, and that growth cannot be good fruit on the tree. That growth can actually be thorns in the field, if you follow my train of thought.

The initial idea or condition—that's called the thesis—gives rise to an opposing response. What's that called? The antithesis. Or anti-thesis, depending on what part of the country y'all are in. Like soda and pop. The interaction produces a more complex understanding of the solution. The thesis and the antithesis hit each other, bounce off each other, and then a different thing develops—the synthesis.

A Real-World Example

Here's a workplace example:

A company starts with a strict in-office policy because it values collaboration and oversight. Employees push back arguing for remote work to support flexibility and work-life balance—a happier employee is a more productive employee. Instead of one side winning, the company develops a hybrid work model that blends both perspectives, maintaining collaboration while allowing some flexibility.

That hybrid system is the synthesis. It wouldn't exist without the tension between the original policy and its opposition.

This is progress, right?

But here's what happens: As this goes on, the collaboration that was once so foundational gets eroded. That hybrid system only works for a period of time before it grows more and more to where the employees are in charge. The employees are dictating to the company when they will and won't work. The flexibility has become chaos. The productivity and collaboration have deteriorated to where the company is no longer what it once was.

That is what Hegel introduced in the 1820s. It's not a truth or a reality, but it works sometimes. And sometimes it doesn't. It's that absolute truth versus areas in life where you can have leeway, give and take, flexibility—and it works just fine.

Ghost #2: Ludwig Feuerbach

German philosopher, mid-1800s

You're going to notice a lot of them were German philosophers. Feuerbach really crossed that line we're not supposed to cross—he took the work of Hegel and started applying it to everything, which people did.

Remember, we're coming out of the Age of Reason. Hegel became a "where's the beef" type phenomenon where everybody was reading it, consuming it, wondering if it was true. There were opinions on both sides. But it opened up that dialogue, and everybody's thesis was now under attack because it became cool to be the antithesis.

Applying Dialectics to Christianity

That's where Feuerbach crossed that line. He applied that same dialectic theory to Christianity.

And when he did, when he started applying dialectic theory to Christianity, the end result was: Christianity's a bunch of hubbaboo. It doesn't really marry with anything well.

Therefore, he came to the conclusion of atheism, and he used Hegel's work to promote it. That's where that guy comes into play.

Feuerbach's Fatal Flaw

His fatal flaw was that he wanted to let his brain and culture and the physical around him define God. And the reality is we can't do that.

The Bible says His ways are so much higher than our ways. So much higher. We have to let God define God. God is truth. Only God can reveal, define, and reveal authentic truth.

Ghost #3: Karl Marx

German philosopher, Communist Manifesto author, 1848

We know that guy. We know him pretty good. I hope you do. If you don't, you probably should.

Karl Marx built on both Hegel and Feuerbach. In 1848, he wrote the Communist Manifesto. In 22 years it'll be 200 years old. So it's had time to play itself out, right? Had time to find out whether it's live or Memorex.

Building on Previous Ghosts

What he did is take this into materialism—dialectical materialism. He built on Hegel's stuff and applied it to material conditions. That served as the theoretical basis for communism.

Don't miss that point. Do you see how one is now building upon another, and now another is going to build upon that?

The Sin Nature of the Communist Manifesto

What Marx really did—the crux of the sin nature of the Communist Manifesto—is that he rejected any metaphysical absolutes including God, and he denied individual property rights and individual dignity. They did not matter for "the common good."

What did this advocate? This pushed forward the idea that people were now justified—think about 2026, look at Minneapolis—to have a violent response or revolution. Marx asserted that suffering and sacrifice were necessary as the price of progress.

He was what they would call a revolutionary socialist. The whole idea behind Marxism is that our material things around us—that's what shapes and influences human life and existence. Therefore, having any discrepancy in those material things is pure evil. Everybody should have exactly the same.

The Body Count

It's moronic on the surface. You'd think after 178 years since the manifesto was released there'd be some evidence this might not be a good idea.

Try this on: After his policies have been implemented across Russia, China, Cuba, and other places, one of the things it produced was mass death. Forty to 50 million people up through the early 2000s had been executed because of state communism. Now that has carried over into the Muslim faith—there was an estimated 80,000 Iranians murdered by their own government.

It's not just Marxists. We've got two more ghosts that have added onto this, which have gotten us to the point where we are today.

Ghost #4: Charles Darwin

English naturalist, Origin of Species author, 1859

We should know this guy. If you don't, you need your money back from the public school you went to.

Charles Darwin is of course the father of the theory of evolution, which—I will remind you—was taught back in the 80s as a flawed theory. I don't know how a flawed theory becomes unflawed. Even Charlie himself said it was flawed if a certain condition wasn't met.

The Full Title They Don't Want You to Know

He wrote a very famous book, but what's really interesting is that the entire title is often conveniently left out. It has to be left out, otherwise people wouldn't consider it to be legitimate. They might say, "Hey, this is kind of sus."

The title of Darwin's book was:

On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life.

That second half is usually dropped off because people start getting curious. What do you mean by "favored races," Chuck?

Even AI Won't Tell You

I went to an AI chatbot and asked, "In 1859 what did Charles Darwin write? What was the name of the book?" It said On the Origin of Species.

I said, "Was there more to the title?" The title of Charles Darwin's book was On the Origin of Species.

I asked a third time: "I heard there was a longer title when it was first published." The title of Charles Darwin's book is On the Origin of Species.

They don't want to get into the "favored races" and how natural selection should be used. Charles Darwin was one of the heroes to a little guy named Adolf Hitler—to justify what he did to the Jews.

Don't believe AI. They're probably lying to you. A different AI, asked a different way, gave the full title. So you have to know how to ask it. If you push a liberal professor to tell you what that actual title is, they won't say it out loud. They reject it. And again, they all have their justification for why they can do whatever they do.

The Missing Link That's Still Missing

Basically Darwin stated that humans are products of evolution. He also stated that if you don't find evidence of that in the fossil record, you should disregard his theory.

In the fossil record, they have never found the missing link. They've made stuff up. They've created fabrications which they've sold to people, and people have bought it to where they say evolution is fact. But it's just not provable.

We have all the same evidence. The young earth creationists—go to Kentucky, go to the Creation Museum, go to the Ark—it's really laid out there. One of Darwin's arguments was that if there is no God, then moral rights and human origins lack explanation.

At the end of the day, evolution is—and I've been preaching this for 25 years—just man's way of being used by Satan to convince himself that he doesn't have a responsibility in front of a creator God.

Also, if Adam didn't have the original sin, and we can convince you there's millions and billions of years of death and suffering before Adam sinned, then Jesus—the whole thing falls apart. You don't need Jesus. He's in the unemployed ranks, as one guy put it. That's what they were hoping for.

Darwin vs. The Bible

The whole theory of evolution really runs against the grain of biblical teaching.

The antithesis of Darwinian evolution. Or the anti-thesis.

Ghost #5: Sigmund Freud

Austrian psychoanalyst, 1856-1939

This guy makes me want to throw up a little in my mouth.

He promoted the idea of free thought—that sexuality and child-rearing should be completely permissible, 100%. Just let people do what people want to do. The Bible refers to it as "let people do what is right in their own eyes." Not healthy, not good. Very satanic at the end of the day. You want to bottom-line it? Sigmund Freud was satanic.

The Foundation of Modern Psychology

Freud lived from 1856 to 1939, and his theoretical development is the foundation for most psychoanalysis today. Many psychologists have to understand the Freudian way. There's also Carl Jung, who's not in here because he has a different take—because Freud is so off base.

Freud was a genius and he touched on some stuff that's really true—well, yeah, in a demonic, depraved society and mind, you believe that it's true.

Pleasure Without Limits

His idea is that human behavior is chiefly motivated by pleasure, especially sexual and erotic desires. As they can be satisfied, they should be done in any way possible because that will lead to better mental health. Restraining those desires will produce neurosis in someone's mind. Not beneficial. You'll do damage.

Taking it in context and taking it to its full conclusion—give birth to this idea and let it run among you—you have absolute debauchery and depraved minds. That's where we are right now. He wanted it completely unfettered. Any limitation you would try to put on someone's sexual desire—he promoted that it would cause harm to that person.

Oh gee, where do we hear that today? We hear it all over with the LGBTQ community. We hear it in the psychobabble of psychiatry across our nation. We're hearing that if you don't affirm, you're causing harm.

The Rare Good Therapist

There are some really brilliant Christian psychotherapists out there—top-tier, helping people, grounded in a biblical worldview. They can't talk about their patients, but they've had some pretty high-profile ones. That biblical worldview really helps them in their careers. They're rare though. They are few and far between.

Most of them are nut jobs. Most of them think they're the smartest person in the room, and they are literally so dim they can't see ten feet in front of their face when it comes to morality or what really brings people peace and contentment.

Isn't that why troubled people and depressed people go to a psychotherapist? Because they want some peace. They want something to bring them back from the pain that they have inflicted on themselves by believing people like Freud.

You can't do anything in your life better than seeing an authentic Bible-grounded therapist who can help you with what you've got going on. And the worst thing you can do is go to some progressive left-wing nut job who has a sheepskin on the wall and thinks they have all the answers—when every one of their answers has turned out to be just like communism: a dead end that ends in defeat and many times death.

A Warning from the 90s

There was a psychologist who came and spoke to the seminarian wives back in 1995-98. He talked about things these wives knew their husbands were eventually going to encounter—things like encountering homosexuality. At the time, he had to leave the clinic he was working at because they were forcing doctors to embrace and promote things that he as a Christian was completely against.

"No, I'm not going to affirm someone in transgenderism or whatever. I can help them through it, but I'm not going to affirm that as normal and encourage them to pursue it."

That was back in the late 90s. He had to start his own individual practice because otherwise he could not practice in a way that was acceptable with his conscience and his Christianity.

Isn't that sad?

Gramster Rant: The Christian Response

So how do Christians fight back? What's the plan? What are we to do?

First, in a passive way, become very aggressive in your prayer. In a passive way, say, "No, you can't have my child go to that therapist," and pull them out of there in a very passive, polite, firm, aggressive way. I hope that makes sense. You don't bend. You have a spine of steel, but you're gentle as doves. You don't try to hurt anybody's feelings.

Listen, the weapons of warfare for Christians are never—and if not never, then extremely rarely—carnal. It's the might of God through His power that we pull down strongholds, that we go after falsehoods. And that is with the truth. What truth? Kingdom authority truth.

God has given kingdom authority to Jesus. He holds all the power over the enemy. Okay? The enemy lacks truth. Believers must take the Word and the Spirit of proof, hold up the Christ of proof, and step out in faith. Days are short.

Proclaim, Don't Debate

No one has come to Jesus because they lost an argument. But when they hear about the gospel—the true gospel—some of the most hardened hearts get softened and they have to look inward. And when they look inward, what they find is not going to be good. They're going to realize there's only one solution: the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ.

We need a generation of anointed, holy, loving people who are willing to speak the truth and preach the truth and literally stand firm and say, "Thus saith the Lord."

You go to somebody living in a very dark lifestyle and say, "The Bible says..." They laugh at you. "The Lord Jesus says..." They still laugh. "God..." Well, God told us they'd laugh. But when you keep proclaiming in a loving way, the Spirit will break them down.

The Four Soils

Now, the Bible tells us through the parallel stories of Jesus that there are four types of people when they hear the saving grace of the kingdom of God and having peace with God. The seed scattered by the farmer lands in four different locations. And the first one is what you really need to understand.

The Hard Path They don't even—it doesn't absorb at all. Bounces right off them. It just—the birds come and eat it and take it away.

The Stony Ground This is a little different. The seed sinks down between the rocks and gets a little bit of root going. They start to spring up. They receive it with joy. But because they don't have enough nutrients, when they realize the joy—it's not about them. It's actually about Jesus. That you don't really matter and should just be grateful that you get forgiven and can be in the room with Jesus. Then when those things come up, trials and things come up about loving Jesus, they fade away.

The Thorny Ground What they've done is they've added Jesus to what they've got going on. He's going to help me with my business. He's going to help me get rich. He's going to help me get the woman of my dreams or whatever the case might be. When it doesn't work out that way, they set Him aside and try something else. They've just tried to put on Jesus as a solution and not as a Savior to what ails them the most—which is the ache for peace with God in the depth of their soul.

The Good Ground Hearers They receive it with joy. They accept it and they know it's going to come with all kinds of good, bad, or otherwise. But they find a contentment. Godliness with contentment is great gain.

If America could hear that voice, that's the only thing that's possibly going to change our society.

Salvaged by God Deep Dive: Standing on Truth

John 17:17 — "Sanctify them by the truth. Your word is the truth."

That is something we need to hold on to. And when it talks about sharing the truth, it talks about sharing it without compromise. That's one of the big problems we have in the visible so-called Christian church—it's compromised. It's compromised in a huge way.

There's nothing we can do about that other than stand firm. We're not going to convince a lot of people that they're wrong in their wrongy wrongness. But when you show them the truth over and over, God will break through some. And revival will come to some.

How the Ghosts Infiltrated the Church

When you listen to all of this about the five ghosts, start thinking about how the church has been influenced by these things to help get them off base from the authentic gospel message:

• Hegel's rejection of absolutes has crept into churches that won't take firm stands
• Feuerbach's atheistic conclusions show up in liberal theology
• Marx's materialism appears in prosperity gospel
• Darwin's naturalism undermines the foundation of Genesis
• Freud's permissiveness justifies every sexual deviation

The more we understand where these ideas came from, the more we can see how they've infiltrated what should be the last line of defense.

Psalm 119:160 — "The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever."

That's the foundation. Not Hegel's dialectic. Not Feuerbach's atheism. Not Marx's materialism. Not Darwin's favored races. Not Freud's unfettered desire. The sum of God's word is truth. Every righteous rule endures forever.

Final Thoughts

From 2005 when Adrian Rogers passed away to now has been 21 years. We've gone a long way the opposite direction of what Adrian was hoping for. But God gives us each a voice. The book of Jude says, "Snatch them while you can from the fire."

We've got to look at a remnant church and remnant-type believers. There probably won't be this big revival across the land that's actually going to change our society.

"We're not going to vote our way out of this. We have demons all around us. The darkness is heavier today than it's ever been."

A Changed World

Think about picking up hitchhikers. Way back in the day, somebody looks like they have a story—come on, hop in. You don't do that anymore.

Walk into a train station, see a hundred people milling around. Used to think, "I bet 80 to 90 of these are probably good people, but there might be some bad apples we've got to keep an eye out for." Now you walk into that same train station and see a hundred people—you know that 80 to 90 are who you've got to look out for. Maybe there might be 10 people who might be good folks.

The Battle Never Changes

It's interesting because we go back to Adrian Rogers 20 years ago and things were the same. Back up even further—Charles Spurgeon, things were the same. He was battling progressive influence into the church. It was such a hard battle.

He was not that old when he finally went and lived as a recluse in the south of France. He was once the Prince of Preachers where tens of thousands would come to hear him preach. Yet this onslaught of progressive ideology—denying the Trinity, denying justification by faith, denying all these things he taught as biblical truth. The latest being he started seeing the rise of evolutionary theory being accepted even within the church. He started preaching heavily against it. And of course, that's when he got pushed out by some of his best friends. He went to live in exile and died three months later.

But again, things haven't changed. The battle continues as it has from the beginning of time. Don't hang up that sword just yet. We've got some more fighting to do. And our fighting is not carnal fighting. It is not against flesh and blood.

False Conversions

Many of these college campus revivals happening over the last 7-10 years may be creating false converts. The Bible is about preaching the gospel—that's where the power is, sharing the gospel with words.

Many of these revivals are music-driven. Song after song after song, and every now and then somebody might come up and talk for a minute, but get him off the stage and sing another song. That creates an emotional response instead of a convicted-of-sin response.

Authentic Christianity

What we want is authentic Christianity. It's not just "Christianity"—it's authentic Christianity.

The line "50% of marriages end in divorce and 50% of Christian marriages end in divorce" is simply not a true statistic. The proper statistic is that 50% of people who claim to be Christians end in divorce. Many people are claiming Christ and they don't know Him. They are Matthew 7:21-24 fodder.

Look that up when you get a minute. It says many—doesn't say a few, it says many—are going to come to Him on that day. "Lord, didn't we prophesy? Didn't we do all this? Didn't we do all this stuff?" And Jesus looks at them and says the most horrible words in all of human history, in all of time. Nothing could be worse than this. The King, the Lord, the Savior looks at folks and says:

"Step off. I don't know who you are."

The Deception Problem

Authentic Christianity, full repentance, coming to Jesus, sacrificing this life for the next—it's not a great sales pitch. It's not. But when you realize you get peace with God, and then you get something that's invaluable—that's called contentment. Godliness with contentment is great gain.

When you understand these five ghosts, you understand where the world is. And when you have great biblical knowledge, you can see clearly. You can see clearly. Now the rain is gone. The deception is lifted.

The problem we have in our society is that people don't know how to handle when their eyes are opened to deception:

"I've been deceived. I'm now embarrassed. I've been proclaiming this is the way for so long. I can't accept that what you're saying is true. I have to try to find anything I can to justify my deception because my significance is wrapped up in what I've been claiming all these years, which I now can see is false. But I don't know if I can handle that. That's my identity. I don't know if I can get rid of that."

Once you humble yourself and realize you've been deceived, then the Christian in name only can become an authentic saved believer—and then they will start making an impact for the kingdom.

The Best Testimony

The best testimony in the world is in John chapter 9—the blind guy. The Sanhedrin comes and they're like, "Who sinned, you or your parents? Who made you blind?" And he's like:

"Dude, I don't know, man. Once I was blind and now I'm not."

That can be our testimony. For those who have that peace with Christ, who know they're in the kingdom, who've repented of their sins, turned, gotten new life in Christ—we just proclaim it. We share it with people in love. Not jumping into an airplane seat and turning to the person next to you saying, "Do you know where you're going to go when you die?" I mean, there's no forcible witness here. It's an organic thing, because you just don't want to see people die lost in their sins.

God will build that up into you.