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Every time a major incident happens, there's usually a conspiracy theory that comes along with it. That's just how it goes. And with the Charlie Kirk situation—which is near and dear to our hearts—we're seeing it all over again. We're also seeing the gospels being spread. We're seeing his videos being seen by billions of more people. We're seeing God literally do Romans 8:28 right in front of our faces.
There's hope in the midst of the storm, but there's also a lot of questions. And I think that it's good to ask questions and talk about it, but being very careful that we're just not passing on information as though it's the gospel. Let's look at things factually.
It's been a little while since the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk and investigations have begun. There's been a lot of coverage. People viewing the information that's coming out and like usual, conspiracies rising to the surface. The average person is very skeptical about everything that they see and it does make it harder to kind of discern. There's a deep state problem going on. There's no question about that.
I gotta be honest, I don't really care in one sense. Charlie's gone and that's heartbreaking and we need to now take a fresh look at what we're up against. But these questions are out there. Could Tyler Robinson be a lone gunman, a lone wolf, and could he have shot Charlie in the neck with that particular rifle and had the results be what they are? Are we getting accurate information?
We happen to have a weapons expert that's part of our faith forever family. Steven Boggas. Hundreds of guns, a great shot. He supports Fresh Road Media. He supports No Apology. So we're going to go out on location. We're going to get out of the studio, have a field day, literally and figuratively, and test some of these theories.
This is actually reminding me of a really popular magazine down south when we lived in Alabama called Garden and Guns. And it was all about gardening and recipes and weddings and fashions and guns and hunting dogs. It was a women's mag. Guns and ammo for women. So that's what we're doing today.
What the Weapons Expert Is Hearing
Out here in the great state of Iowa with our gun and ammo expert, Stephen Boggas, there's been a lot of talk recently. What are you hearing?
"A lot around the 306 caliber. Was it a handgun? I think there's a lot of rumors that have already been dispelled. You know Frank Turk, right? They were saying that he was like given baseball signs or whatever. I'm like, that's his mentor. Like he has nothing to do with it. So in the whole realm of conspiracy theories, it's hard to find is that really something, is that something? I think people are grasping at straws."
"I know what a 30 will do to a brick or a watermelon. I know what a handgun does to different things. So that's where I'm coming at it from—what I can prove."
That's great because a lot of times when these big things happen, our brains naturally want to fill in the gaps where we don't know. When we're reading stories, all of a sudden we're seeing images in our own mind of what those characters look like. So today, let's look at the things we do know for sure and then draw some logical conclusions from that.
"Let's just load up some guns and see what we can recreate."
Testing the Narrative
The narrative we've been told is this is his grandpa's hunting rifle. In the text messages, Robinson said he had a $2,000 scope on it. Stephen doesn't have a $2,000 scope, but he's got a $1,000 scope.
"What I'm going to do is I'm going to zero it in. It'll take three or four shots. And then my proponent is if it's grandpa's gun and grandpa zeroed it in, it doesn't take skill past that point to hit something at 150 to 200 yards."
Perfectly possible?
"Yes. Perfectly possible."
"But what I think you will see that these do—and I'll put a concrete brick down there—I think what these do is way worse than what we saw. I think we saw an entrance wound, which is where the blood came out, which would make sense if the bullet went in and hit the spine. If it was with one of these, it would have blown his spine out. I've just seen it on animals, right? Like the exit wound, you could put your fist in."
"If it's a 9 millimeter, perfectly plausible that it went in here, hit the spine. If you only got an entrance wound, blood's got to come out somewhere, right? So then it came out that way."
I know that I don't think an autopsy has been released. I don't know that all that information is out there. They said that they found the bullet in the skin like on the backside and one of the Turning Point guys was just saying, 'Well, Charlie's a healthy guy. That's why—'
"I don't care if you shot the Hulk with one of these. It's probably going to go through. If you can take down a moose, elk, grizzly bear, a human being doesn't stand a chance. And the skinniest part of the body, right? It's not center mass. There's nothing in here other than the spine to stop it."
The Screwdriver That Makes No Sense
These turrets are what move the reticle inside that scope left, right, up, and down. They talked about a screwdriver up on the roof.
"The only thing on a gun that would need a screwdriver is a turret on a scope. And really, they turn without a screwdriver. I don't know what the narrative is why he would have a screwdriver on the roof other than it had his DNA on it. I don't know if it was planted. Like, hey, we've got his DNA. To me, it feels like to a gun guy, they're just playing on the ignorance of 85% of America that doesn't know how a gun operates."
"Me and my dad, when we hear that he had a screwdriver on the roof with a rifle, it's like, why would he have a screwdriver? It does no good on a gun."
They try to say that it's because he needed it to disassemble. Why is that not true?
"Well, if the video is accurate that we've seen, he clearly jumps off the roof with something wrapped in a towel. And then you also saw the video of him with a gun in his pants walking with a limp. You could see clearly that I could put that down my pants, cover the rest of it up with a sweatshirt. And then he had to walk with a limp because you can't bend without disassembling. You can't bend your knee with the barrel, right?"
"But then the whole disassembling falls apart because one, we saw him jump off the roof with what looked like it had it all together in a blanket and I think his text even said that he left it in a blanket by a bush. And then the other part is—you just took a shot. Why would you have time or want to make time right then and there to take the gun apart?"
So from just what we saw, if he is the shooter, then he had the gun together before because he had it in his pants, and then when he got off, he had it together and it was wrapped in a towel. You see him kind of drop it to the right when he lands, then he picks it back up.
I don't know why in 2025 we can't get better video of that. Why is that so grainy? It's like a moon landing. We can see Saturn's rings, but we can't get a clear image of the robbery at 7-Eleven. The Ring doorbell video of him driving his car and walking past the house is super clear. But that security camera that caught him jumping off the roof? Looks like Yeti did it.
Parsing Through the Information Overload
It's interesting how sometimes when these events happen, the amount of information that is put out isn't even necessarily put out by law enforcement or investigation, but like reporters and people who are eyewitnesses there. So all of this information that's floating around and all of this stuff that doesn't make sense—how much of that might be because actual investigators are like we can't let certain information out because they do have to go and find is it the deep state or is it just this one guy?
"I would say in some senses there is a lot of information out there. Like I said earlier, it's sometimes hard to parse through all the different conspiracy theorists out there with a podcast or with just a camera in their basement room. The guys that thought Frank Turk did it, you know, the bullet coming from below in that little trap door. There's flashes on the window that they saw—two to Charlie's right as the gun goes off that you can see a flash on two different windows. So there's a lot of information and evidence out there. The hard part is to be patient and let the professionals do it."
"But again, I've never seen a crime scene get completely dismantled and removed and concreted over within a week. Not something that you would typically see. But yeah, I'm waiting for all the information to come out. The other thing is Cash Patel is a really good buddy of Charlie's and so it makes it all really interesting."
Loading the Rifle
Once the magazine is in—and it's not a clip, clips are for hair, magazines are for guns—once that's in there, then the bolt just pushes. See how it takes that top bullet? In like that. And now it's ready.
"I think they said the shooter left a spent shell in. And some of the snipers are like, 'No, you would never do that if it was a professional.' Professionals know—they shoot and they eject. They eject the shell, so they put another one in. So they always have a live round in. So it'd almost be muscle memory for a pro."
"But for a kid that just shot someone for the first time ever, I could see how adrenaline kicks in and I'm just getting off the roof. Like, I did it. I'm out."
The Scope Test
This knob here is your parallax. And this will make it clear on however far you are. Like, if you could look through the scope right now, I've got it set on 75 because that was about where my last shot was up there. And it's super fuzzy. So if I turn it to 150, now it's crystal clear.
That kid said his grandpa had a $2,000 scope on his. So from here to there, it is crystal clear. And then here's an Amazon special $150 scope—same thing. Put that up against your shoulder.
On a cheaper scope, it's sometimes hard. Trees look alike.
This is a Mr. Magoo scope here. It's much blurrier. I mean, it's still—it doesn't have the parallax like this one. This one you can change a little bit here, but not much.
When I hand you the gun, you're just going to start shooting down range. But I want you to look through the scope so you don't put holes in my trailer.
Can you find the target?
Oh, bifocals.
There it is. So flip that up with your thumb. And now it's ready to go. Now I lost the target. Now I got a whole bunch of dots. What am I looking for? The crosshairs. The one right in the middle. The dot that's in the middle.
What the Bullets Actually Do
These are the 7 mm PRC bullets. You can kind of see—now this is against wood. This was Emily's out of a 223. She hit the target. And then these are the seven grouping. So these are a little bit bigger holes. I can see it up close.
"So I started here, over-corrected to here, got it down to here, and then this is my final shot here. But I want it two inches high. So two inches high at 100, roughly 150 yards is going to put it pretty dead on at 200. And that's where I would zero in most 30 caliber rifles."
"So just the fact that grandma can aim at this from 150 with a $150 scope—that was the cheap scope—and I can get it there. That shot is not—it is not not plausible."
What do we got? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight shots. Six of them were—well it wasn't zeroed in. The final two were this one which is the correct height but it was two inches left. So I went eight clicks, got it dead on, and then went up. This little difference here could just be wind. It is kind of breezy today.
There's so many other factors as well. Charlie was not just this stationary board. He was moving. He was talking. He just put his microphone down. So even if the shot maybe wasn't altogether accurate, he could have definitely moved into it. Which is what we saw with Trump. Turned his head out of it.
Working Through the Conspiracy Theories
Let's take the conspiracy theories that are out there and work our way from the top to the bottom. The first one being could that kid make that shot?
From what we're demonstrating today, yes, he could.
And then the second one being if he did make that shot with the gun that they say he made the shot, what would the damage be? What would that look like?
And that might be where we get into more questions.
"That's the issue that first arose in my head. I saw the video, but then they said that the bullet didn't come out the neck and I'm like, I don't think that's possible."
We shot a brick. And it absolutely demolished it. It exploded it and it was a big landscaping brick. It's probably three, four inches thick of concrete. That's more dense than what a neck is. That 306 is a powerful round. It's the reason people shoot grizzlies and moose and elk with it. And it should have then gone into the back of the tent or somewhere else. You would have thought the backdrop would have been covered in blood as well.
And either way, thank God because there were people behind that backdrop. Praise the Lord that no one back there was harmed. But it does raise some serious questions.
The Trap Door and the Sound
The next thing is the conspiracy with the door underneath, the trap door underneath. And that makes more sense as far as the injury and the sound that you heard.
We've got video of shooting this gun as well. And the first time I told you, I was like, 'All right, are you ready?' And when it went off, you said you could feel your nose hairs. My nose hairs like literally went and everything on the table just kind of went, you know, it moved a little bit.
And not only that, but we heard that shot boom off of the sheds, the pond, the house, anything metal, anything hard surface, you could just hear it reverberate. And we didn't really hear that in the video. In the video, even though there's tons of concrete and glass—you would have thought that it would have reverberated off of everything. Concrete, the terraces, they were all concrete, the buildings, the glass. And he was down in a bowl, an amphitheater type surrounding which would even make that noise louder.
The Crime Scene Destroyed
Last but not least, if I can pull my thoughts together here—the crime scene is demolished. The crime scene is gone. And it was gone relatively quickly.
"I don't believe—I can't buy that the only reason they did that was to get rid of the blood. Like I said, there's crime scene people like vehicle accidents that they professionally clean. They're called the cleaners. It's in every mafia movie. But I can't believe that they went through all that work. Like just go out and look at videos. It was within a week—it's now concrete blocks everywhere. I think the only reason you do that—you get rid of so much evidence."
And why?
And then I told you the video where I saw where it looks like a bullet coming up. Here's a thought—it's cleaned up. It's concreted over really quickly to get rid of the stragglers that want to come in and see. This is a college campus. They have to continue on with what they're doing. Do you think that had anything to do with let's not just clean it up? Or was it still too quick?
"It could. I mean it could be. I've heard the case that the left is sick. If there was any shred of his blood still on the grass, they would have been coming and taking pictures and videos or even digging it up as a trophy because they are sick, twisted people."
We're seeing it.
Raising Kids in This Reality
This is a little bit off topic because it's not the first time we've seen this. Very recently, we saw a coach who was coaching his baseball team and he's praying. He gets shot right on the field in front of his kids and thankfully he survived. But I thought immediately—there was a guy who was talking to churches, but I think this applies to schools as well—we need to be ready for this because it's not letting up. So what are some of the conversations or what are some of the thoughts that you have as you see this really impacting our culture?
"From September 10th till today, I can't tell you how many Charlie Kirk videos we've watched. Me and my sons, Marie at night, we'll just sit there and watch him on repeat. And I've followed him since he started. But really going back and actually listening to his message and how they twisted that to hate."
Even more so now—he was killed for hate, right, for his hate speech. But when you go back and really look at how he interacted with people that had completely different beliefs than him—it was impressively loving. And gentle. And all those things. He only lost his temper one time and it was at that guy from Young Turks. Shank.
"So I think what I want for my boys is they're in a public school. They're going to come across people with differing ideologies, differing religions, atheists. Which Charlie's famous line is, it takes a god to make an atheist. It's the religion opposed to God."
God has to be real if you're an atheist. Who are the group of people that don't believe in unicorns? I don't think there's a name for them. There's cornies and the anti-cornies.
Who Wanted Charlie Dead?
With all this stuff that's happening at the same time, a lot of the conspiracies that are flowing around the Charlie Kirk event and how things aren't totally adding up for people who are really in the know in certain things—where do we land? Would it be fair to say it would not be surprising that this is not just one kid, a one-off, and just got lucky?
"The biggest question is who wanted Charlie Kirk dead?"
"I kind of hope the kid did it, right? Because that's the perfect villain I guess. It proves it's just another case that proves how far the left has gone to stop Christianity. And it's not just Charlie was politically on the right side. He was more hated for his theology and speaking Christ."
Other conservatives that don't get quite the vitriol that he got, you know, and they're speaking their mind. Not that they don't get backlash, not that they don't get threats, but Charlie's was pretty off the charts.
And so if the kid wasn't the lone shooter, they have a perfect patsy because it's a copycat of what happened in Minneapolis just a week or so before that. That kid was trans, but he had all the messages on bullets. This kid's dating a trans and he's got messages written on bullets. So he's a perfect patsy.
If there is a trap door under the table and he's shot with a handgun, the injuries that he sustained are much more realistic to have been shot with a handgun than that high powered rifle even from 150 to 200 yards.
How We Move Forward
How are we as Christians, as fathers and mothers, how are we to respond? Because it's intensified, and it seems like our previous response isn't working. They're just kind of picking off more and more. It's getting more rapid. So what do you think of when you think in terms of how do I deal with this going forward?
"Charlie had armed security around him all the time. I think all those other conservative speakers do as well. It's funny when you see liberal politicians, they don't have armed guards. Many of them don't. Because they don't fear the right-wingers—we're not violent."
"Steven Crowder, shameless plug for Louder with Crowder, said something that really resonated with me. He has been physically attacked. He's been threatened. Death threats. He said that any show of violence will be met with violence. He said it's enough is enough. Not that he's going to go out and start a fight or pick a fight. But it's kind of like my dad taught me—don't ever start a fight. But if you're in one, you better finish it."
And like my dad said, the punishment has to outweigh the crime. And so these people are not being punished. They're not being punished swiftly. I can't remember if it's Ecclesiastes or Proverbs where it says if you don't punish them swiftly, you're giving permission for other people to commit those crimes. That's biblical.
Build Houses, Plant Gardens
I want to end with this—another scripture. Jeremiah 29, verse 7 I think it is, where the Israelites, they are in exile and we're kind of there as Christians right now in our own country where we think about should we go there, should we do that. But it says he, the Lord, says to the people that are in exile in these foreign lands: build a house, plant a garden, get married, do these things because the well-being of your community is your well-being.
That is so poignant now. How do you see young men who are being raised up? What do you want to say to them as far as your community well-being? How do you do that?
"I think it starts with truth. In every aspect. You mentioned I do coach. I coach football. If you make a mistake on a play, I can't just pat you on the back and say good job. I have to correct it. What did you do here? But it's the same whether you're talking politics, whether you're talking religion—what is the truth?"
"Charlie was big on data, facts and data, and he had them all memorized. But so whatever the discussion is, whatever the conversation, it's seeking truth. Be a truth seeker. And for my boys going through public school, going to college at some point—or maybe they don't because college is a scam. Maybe they don't go. I didn't go. But just the conversations that they're going to have. And I'm not going to be right there with them for all of them or any of them really."
"I think being discerning. What does the scripture say? What is truth? And getting feelings out of it because that's where all this left-wing crazy comes from—it's harsh words or you made me feel bad. And that's all the defense is. Well, Charlie was so hateful like he did this to himself."
And I think that that's the problem with identity politics because when you turn politics into identity, then when someone speaks against it or disagrees with it, then you're speaking against my identity. And now all of a sudden those types of actions are justified because they do look at it like you're not just attacking the ideologies or the arguments or what's truth, what's false. They look at it like you are attacking the individual human being. And so that's what's really dangerous about that.
Oppressor-Oppressed Versus Right and Wrong
"And it's the oppressed-oppressor mentality versus right and wrong. I could tell you why the 7 mil PRC is going to break that brick and you could disagree with me. Well, I'd be right and you'd be wrong and we could still be friends about it. But when it's I'm oppressing you and I feel like I'm making you believe my way—they just can't have any—there's no room for dialogue, difference of opinion, agree to disagree. There's none of that on the left."
It is because of that oppressor-oppressed mindset rather than just right and wrong or division—just different, like we just think different. You're dividing people rather than dividing ideas and thoughts.
I think we can end it there. I will just leave you with this because you made such a great point. It is all about the truth. You will know the truth. And the truth is what will set you free.
What We've Proven
So there you have it. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. When you see those bullets go down range, when you see that cinder block explode, when you see what we're actually dealing with, it makes you go, hm—the crime scene cleanup, all of it.
But on the same token, Charlie's still gone. And so what is actually happening here? Will we ever get to the bottom of it? I don't know. The world may never know.
But here's—Stephen touched on this. It's so important. Truth. Truth is what is important and the good thing is we have a savior who said I am the way, the truth and the life. And so when we put our trust in him completely, he leads us through this crazy confusing journey called life and he will ultimately bring us safely home with him.
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